None the wiser

1 Mar 2018 | 11 comments

We attended the Supporters Forum at St Andrews last night, hopeful of getting some answers to the questions we had submitted in advance. Unfortunately we came away none the wiser. The detail of what was said is below, but in short the questions regarding the club’s financial position and how certain people are connected with the club did not make the agenda. The response to the question regarding transfer activity seemed to contain a lot of ‘red-herrings’ and there was an acknowledgement that arrangements for engagement with fans could be improved.

We came away disappointed, and reflective of the overall situation we find ourselves in as fans. We see players not playing, a manager not managing, recruitment not recruiting and staff unclear of what’s going on. It’s reasonable to surmise that all is not well at the top, but in the absence of communication from the Board and owners we fear the worst. If there is a plan for our club, then now is the time to set it out for the fans in order to dispel our fears of financial difficulties, sanctions from EFL, relegation and following the path down to League 2 as seen at Coventry City.

Because we have not had our questions answered meaningfully then we call upon all Blues Fans to ask these questions again and again, louder and louder until we get answers. Please write, email and use social media but please show respect and do not insult or become personal in asking. Remember, whilst we think things are being run poorly from the top, those involved are not trying to do a bad job and have to rely on advice about how to run a football club.

Questions and answers

Q1 At the last meeting we enquired if supporters’ groups are considered stakeholders of Birmingham Sports Holdings (‘BSH’) and whether we could join the share option scheme. Your representatives were unable to answer on the night and promised to ‘ask Hong Kong’. Do the club have a full answer for us yet?

A No answer yet and unsure of reason for not having an answer.

Q2 We saw very little incoming activity during the last transfer window. What are the reasons for this? Please comment on the speculative suggestions below:

  • We did not need any additions to the squad
  • The people at the club who are responsible for completing transfer deals have performed poorly (as outlined in the article in the Mirror newspaper)
  • The players available would not add to the quality of the squad because the manager can only choose those represented by Darren Dein
  • We have an unofficial transfer embargo from the EFL due to our financial state being outside the Financial Fair Play regulations
  • We have recognised that we are operating outside FFP and limited our activity

A Advised that in 17/18 we have signed 14 players, 10 in the January window (discussion drew out that the 10 in the window were new contracts being signed or youth players being taken onto professional contracts – but this is supposition and the 10 could not be named). There was acknowledgment of limited incoming activity with a list of reasons for this including availability, price of players, manager wanting to move some players on, offers from other clubs accepted by player, targets and financial issues.

The specific points asked did not make the agenda and so were not addressed.

Q3 In the light of the significant losses warning for BSH on the Hong Kong stock exchange, what are the high-level plans to ensure that we operate within Financial Fair Play regulation. How will we increase revenue, reduce the wage bill, and avoid a fire-sale of our best players?

Issue did not make the agenda so was not addressed. During the meeting we were advised that the board is aware of the Financial Fair Play regulations.

Q4 How are the following people connected with the club?

  • Darren Dein
  • Wang Yaohui (‘Mr King’)

Issue did not make the agenda so was not addressed.

Q5 Blues Trust, whilst very supportive of the supporters forums, have notified the club a number of times that it has concerns that it is not fully complying with EFL rules on supporter engagement because strategic and financial matters are not addressed in any depth at forum meetings. Does the club have any intention to implement any of the options regarding improved fan engagement offered in the publication “Engage” published by Supporters Direct – for instance, fan representation at Board level, or facilitation of a face to face meeting with Board personnel?

A The club have been in contact with EFL regarding compliance and whilst not accepting there is non- compliance, the format of supporters forums and the representatives attending from the club (Blues Trust were insistent that it needs to be Board level) would be reviewed and improved. The supporters attending agreed to help in designing the new format.


  1. Paul Hawkins

    Yet again total disregard for the most important people at the club and that being the fans. These owners are no better than the previous as they have no plans to come forward with info.

  2. Arthur rose

    Who took meeting do they have ANY influence .What happens next?

    • Margaret

      Rachele Johnson, Customer Services Manager & Supporter Liaison Officer, took the meeting.

  3. micko

    Are we dealing with certain cultural differences here ?? Is China not a “top-down” society where the idea of fans wanting, and indeed having, a say in matters is something that would not happen ? Maybe Darren Dein can use his undoubted influence to enlighten the owners on this point ????? Maybe I am being a bit cheeky with this suggestion……..


      darren dein is part of the problem hes fallen out with the the c,e.o no manager is going to want to be told he must sign only players represented by him who so far have failed ,that was the problem with redknapp wanting players but was not allowed to sign because they were not represented by dein, in other words we will miss out on a massive core of players because dein own them MADNESS WHAT A MESS A MANAGER MUST BE ABLE TO SIGN WHOM HE WANTS WITHIN REASON

  4. Mark Jordan

    So pretty much ignore or deflect the questions.
    My Question is are we talking to the organ grinder?
    If not its rather pointless

  5. Margaret

    Regarding the part of the answer to question 2, that said, ‘Advised that in 17/18 we have signed 14 players, 10 in the January window’, the club have asked us to make it clear that it was the January 2017 window they were referring to. We have asked if they can confirm the number of signings in 2018 January window.

  6. Margaret

    The club have told us that, in January 2018, 11 players were either sold, released, or loaned. None were brought in. Unfortunately Colin couldn’t be at the supporters forum due to the clash with the FA Youth Cup tie at Norwich. The club said they understood there was some confusion about what was said at the meeting,

  7. Dave Noke

    Very disappointing yet again.Tell the Fans the truth!!!!
    The lack of clarity of who chooses ‘Target’ players is a major concern and no info as to whether the Manager has any say. Steve Cotterill is trying his best, but is out of his depth, I am sorry to say.
    However, replacing him, is no guarantee of success, until the Club is on a better financial footing

    • brian vaughan

      the club will never be better until these owners sell up to real football people, who know about football . you just cant have a none football person saying what players can and cant be sold or bought thats crazy especially when that person has a vested interest in the player


    Can I ask how certain questions failed to make the agenda?

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